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@Anonymous #3889

Hello.

This really isn’t so much a rule as it is just a limitation. That limit still mostly depends on how the space is looking on the background design. It’s unlikely we will have too many fliers to begin with so I wouldn’t worry about it too much as of yet.

For right now though we are mainly in a waiting phase between the background completion and submission entries. I’m patient so I’m certainly in no rush. Just poke me if ya need me for anything though.

@Twiface
Well, that and all the new things we’ve talked about. I don’t think most people are aware they need to make reservations for flyer slots rn for example

You mean the ‘Proposed Plan’ I posted a week ago? Or did you mean something else?

That’s fine by me I suppose. But if you all have rule adjustments or otherwise need my input on something more readily then just ping me there. I scarcely talk to anyone via social stuff openly so I rarely have need to check channels for stuff so pinging me is your best bet. Or just a direct message would work.

I say we use the Discord channel for these discussions from now on, starting with us posting our newly agreed upon rules

They jmade us a channel in the Discord server.
That kind of makes this thread obsolete, but we could keep using it if we want to.

If only we had gone with a ‘haunted ski resort’ theme instead, it would.

@runner2
The question was brought up on the first page of the other thread. Since it’s indoors we assumed there would be limited space. I proposed having a character cap, FeatherTrap said 20 so I put it in the rules (tentatively).

I suppose we won’t know exactly how many we can fit until we get the background. Adjusting the depth is also a great idea

I didn’t know we had set a flying character limit at all as I don’t recall it being talked about yet. Unless there’s a third forum section you are talking in about it as I never browse forums outside of banner posts about them.

Flying poses will be entirely up to the background’s design. If it’s going to be a more traditional styled casino then there probably isn’t a lot of ceiling height to work with in that case. If it’s more along the lines of a Las Pegasus styled thing, then it shouldn’t be too much of an issue as that would be made with pegasai in mind in the first place so there would be plenty of upper room. Maybe even floating game tables on clouds. :3

There is always the possibility that I could play around with the depth of the scene as well. So have some characters in the foreground while others might be in the background. That way it’s not just a wall of characters but would make the scene look a little more lively to begin with as there’s supposed to be some level of interaction with the scene itself by some characters. So putting everyone around as if they are posing for the camera wouldn’t really work if the scene itself is supposed to be part of it and not simply a floor to line everyone up on.

Mainly it’s just a simple waiting game for us while we wait on background specifics. Even if we have a lot of flying characters, I can always play around with scene depth to make it work out.

@runner2
I think that’s a good outline of our responsibilities.

We should probably keep the 20 character limit for flying poses, which I think we all agreed on. 20 is an arbitrary number, but the limit itself was borne out of the limitations of the setting, so I wouldn’t consider it ‘arbitrary.’

@FeatherTrap
Thank you for the predictions. That really puts things into perspective.

We will wait patiently until your artist is done.

@runner2
Sounds good, I’m not eager to impose any deadlines myself, I was just offering a timeframe to show that things are in fact, happening on my end. I admit, it’s an optimistic one, assuming nothing goes wrong.

I suppose I don’t mind on that for the most part. Either way though, unless someone is willing to do a free commission for me, I doubt my character(s) will be getting in on this as I can’t really do much for art myself. Although I could just grab an older piece from a previous collab on here or Derpi to throw in I suppose… but I’m not sure about that yet. However, making edits to stuff I’m fairly good at in minor scales at least. So if need be I can do some touch-ups or little edits to any submissions that we get. Such as transparency alterations, scaling, minor color or linework touch-ups, etc.

As for my part I won’t count myself as an artist by any means and intend to just use the editor: tag for myself when posting the finished piece.

Overall though I would simply say to ignore any thoughts of deadlines of any sort about this project and just let it flow on it’s own for now. After we get the background and we start getting some submissions in, only then can we actually look at a more solid deadline. Ballparking dates right now isn’t too reasonable considering the several variables we have currently with this. Just let people know that specific themed poses can’t be determined yet due to not knowing how the assets will look. However general poses such as sitting or standing can be freely done without issue… even with themed outfits or just outfits/accessories of any sort. Just know that if anyone has a specific pose/action in mind for the theme that they can still make it beforehand if it’s more of an easily placed one. (sitting looking at something, holding a drink, having an arm/hoof raised such as for slots or in frustration at losing a game, or potentially standing looking at something) Those can all be a little more readily placed at a given location… but they would run the risk of not quite matching up with the layouts of certain machines or tables. So if people are fine with that minor risk, then go for it. Or just simply wait a while for the background and assets.

Either way, we should all just have a fun and relaxed time with this. No rushing, no time crunches, no arbitrary limits on stuff. Just let it be open. I will be the one sorting it all out in the end anyway and I don’t mind it.

@Twiface
@runner2
Okay, just to keep you two up to speed with the situation… >.<

My vector artist has been quite busy lately, which is one of the reasons I’ve been put under time stress with this and getting so butthurt over the deadline being set. Now that we’ve rolled that back, I can give you my predicted itinerary for proceedings. Keep in mind this is an optimistic projection, assuming nothing goes wrong, not an uncompromising blood-oath of certainty. <:3

He plans to start this week, and we’re hoping the background and assets can be completed by the end of August. Note I said “hoping” there. This was one of the other reasons why the September deadline just wasn’t an option, there would have been no time for people to look at the scene at get something commissioned specifically for it.

Once that’s done however, I do have a pre-existing agreement with him to work on some vectors…not for myself or the collab, as a birthday present for my friend on the 23rd of September. As a result, my guy won’t be able to work on entries for the month of September and anyone who buys from him (including me and my friends) stands to miss out.

So, assuming this timeline holds up and there are no major delays, here’s what I propose: We release the image and assets when they’re done, which hopefully will be at end of August. We then let people mull over it for September before setting a soft deadline for the first week of November.

Let me know what you both think of that suggestion. And of course keep in mind, the demands of reality can easily alter this schedule at any time without warning, remember this is an optimistic, best-case-scenario timeline where everything goes smoothly.

Yes, I’m still good with compiling. XD
No, you don’t need to step down or whatever. You do need to calm down and stop looking at this in some sort of perpetual corporate scheduling timeline shenanigans though. If it takes a month for the background, then so be it. If it takes 3 months, then that is fine too. Trying to force any sort of deadline on anything at all just should not be done right now. I don’t mind if it takes the better part of a year… but I am also super patient. Also… when you pose a question for something, you have to give much more then a single day or less for people to agree or disagree with it or to pose questions of their own about it. I will most likely reply to stuff when I see it… but I might only see that there is a question once or twice a day. So if I miss that unspoken timeframe you set for yourself and you just go ahead with something on your own, then no discussions were made. That lack of a reply doesn’t immediately mean people agree after all. :)

If ya peek at the other forum for my post there I mentioned some stuff for everyone. Hopefully we can all work out stuff through that path for both transparency on this whole thing and discussions involving it.

As for both of ya, don’t worry and don’t stress about any sort of timeframes here. Also don’t look at some delays as some sort of dire make or break scenario for this. It doesn’t matter if it’s delayed in any aspect at all here. But juggling timeframes all over the place, submission start times, or other matters really shouldn’t be done. If people want to start submitting now, then they can. Saying otherwise is very confusing to people. Even I’m a bit confused about some of this back and forth with you two and I’m supposed to be somewhat apart of it. Don’t stress to people about the theme chosen in general. If anyone wants to submit anything that falls into our current rules then they can. If they want to dress their character as something entirely unrelated to the theme then they can if they want…. there should be no limits or expectations on that at all. Throwing around too many rules for things can often be worse then not having enough rules in the first place. Some people might have even shied away from this a bit due to volatility of the rules as they stand as well. Trying to word your posts as vaguely corporate or business-like or otherwise a bit too wordy (coming from me as I usually talk in paragraphs XD) might be counterproductive to what we want here…. which is for everyone that wants to participate, should freely be able to participate. Talk of proposed plans, putting the project to sleep, freezing submissions, and deadlines isn’t really the type of wording that should be used for what was supposed to be a simple community fan project.

Overall we just need to stay calm about this whole thing. While my part doesn’t really come in until at the end of this thing, Twi’s should mostly just be compiling the information and Feather’s is just background details and assets. If questions and concerns are brought up either by one of us or by another user, then we should all address it and not try to rush to provide an answer unless it’s either something previously brought up or something simple.

Anything pertaining to limits should mainly be between Feather and myself as he’s getting the background design laid out and I will be the one sorting everything into place on the final piece. While I don’t care how many or few submissions we get at all, Feather might have only so much space we could work with on the final background design so some limits on his part should be considered. But, keep in mind, characters can be easily resized for the most part and I will try to even out all of their heights before I start laying them out.

Stuff pertain to rule wordings can be more on Twi. But we can all chime in on that to be sure it’s clear for everyone and in plain text.

I will still deal with the end composition and any questions relating to it. Such as people who want or don’t want certain characters next to each other. Or a specific area someone wants their character at. That sort of thing.

And please, let’s all calm down a bit…I know my temper’s been a bit fiery over the last week from trying to install what I believed was some reasonable limits and consistent rules onto a rather large community project and feeling like I was fighting everyone-especially other volunteers-at every step along the way.

But it’s not imploding or anything of the sort, please calm down. Remember, you need to walk before you can learn to run. Fact is we started organizing this quite late into the year, given the scope we ended up deciding to work with.

Everything will be fine as long as we have reasonable expectations about time and how long it’s going to take. For now, all I ask is that we get the background and the assets for contextual entries ready first…that is to say, let’s have a collab to compile, before we get any ambitions about due dates and deadlines, alright? <:3

@Twiface
That schedule seems like a good idea to me, especially since the man I’m trying to negotiate with (N0KKUN for the record) is quite busy at the moment and it looks like getting those assets ready may not even be an option until late August if I go with him. >.<

Everyone is free to search the artist:n0kkun tag and let me know if they know a way to contact an artist that can do vector art to similar if not better quality if they think this timeframe is too long. Otherwise I don’t know what to say other then this will take time, I want to get this done right, not fast.

I had hoped initially to have a full description and sample of all five of the original themes I listed down in this server before we did anything else, so I was quite aghast to see the very next morning a tab at the top of the page showing a week-long poll was already underway…and not even providing the full descriptions I wrote up for each theme.

I believe putting this on “sleep mode” as you put it, is the best idea for now. If anyone wishes to make submissions that don’t involve contextual prompts (no sitting on chairs or stools or anything of the sort I mean), just having their pony standing around in the main flat space, then those submissions can be welcome for now anyway. Anyone who does want such a contextual prompt needs to wait until everything is assembled and ready.

Once we have a collab to offer, only then can we have ambitions of actually compiling everything together. The scope of this project is bigger then the last few years and unlike professional site admins we have actual day jobs we need to manage around it, so it’s only natural that this will take longer.

At this rate, my most reasonably optimistic projection is a Late November release…and even that’s if all goes well. We just need to remember, it’s not about how fast we crap it out, it’s how good the final result is.

We can either keep using this thread or start a whole new thread called “Collab Discussion Corner” or something of that nature. Either way works for me.

Some words in response to FeatherTrap’s post on the main thread recently.

I’m clearly pushing too hard here. This is supposed to be a fun little side project and it shouldn’t be stressful. I was so excited to watch some explosions on my computer tonight (It’s still 10:50 PM over here), but the only explosion I see right now is the collab I tried to assist with imploding before my eyes.

I’m going to step back for a while (well, maybe answering an occasional submission-related question if any arise) since it seems the project can’t proceed until the required assets are ready.

I don’t want to keep acting unilaterally, and although I’ve made attempts to solicit feedback from others throughout the course of this project, it seems as though I haven’t properly taken them into consideration.

I’m going to propose this as our next course of action because it seems reasonable, but I don’t want to say “This is the plan” unless we have a consensus:

Does this seem reasonable?

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Since it seems as though the assets will take at least a week or two to procure, I assume the project will be on hold for a while until FeatherTrap tells us we can proceed.

If we’re going to put it to sleep for a while, then:

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Also, if anyone wants to initiate a ‘vote of no confidence’ in my “leadership” then go ahead. If two people who previously posted in this thread since I said “Do we even need a mod to organize it?” ask for my resignation, I will turn in my ‘badge’ and disassociate from further involvement (except for the posts I have already made, which I will edit upon request)

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Fact check: True.

@Exhumed Legume
Yes, I thought a 9 hour grace period for the British seemed reasonable. Though I also considered listing the deadline in Hawaiian time, but I don’t know if any of our contributors actually live out there.
(Also, it’s a soft deadline, so there will likely be a grace period for the grace period)

A Canadian football 🇨🇦🏈 field is exactly 5 chains between end zones. Each end zone adds an additional 90.90909090… links, for a total length of 6 chains, 81818181… links.

But when people talk in terms of ‘football fields’ they usually just mean distance between end zones.

@Twiface
So 9:59am the next day for me…


@UrbanMysticDee
How many chains is a football field, again?
_{^{(Yes, “chain” is a real unit of length in the Imperial system.)}}

Don’t matter to me as I don’t really have anything to submit myself. I would imagine it’s more of a soft deadline anyway to begin with.

Also, if you haven’t already, you might want to have a mod/Zizzy just ping the discord server entirely to more effectively get the word out about it. I’m sure most people are like me and just lurk on there without reading much of anything. >.>

@Twiface
Definitely go for it. British time is for eurofags who refuse to use Freedom Units like football fields and hamburgers.

Does anyone mind if I list the deadline as 11:59 PM in the Pacific Daylight timezone, instead of the previously mentioned UTC? That would extend it by about seven hours, and I think listing the last time zone likely to have a large number of Ponybooru users might be more helpful to people than to list UTC, which I don’t think the average internet user necessarily knows or cares about.