Ponybooru Moderation Feedback

@Exhumed Legume  
look man when I post art I don’t want to be kindergardening some hundred boorus, I want to post it, be done, and move on with my life. Why do I need to pay an activity tribute for the graceful consesion of respecting my DNPs?
 
I’ll be active in a community when and as much as I damn please.

@Exhumed Legume  
From the Rules page  

 
If I’m reading it right it applies individually per image, and so if there is an image that the artist doesn’t want on the site for whatever reason then “too fucking bad” even if the artist is otherwise active and posts other images here,  
As @Barhandar mentioned in his post, It’s now effectively the same as the Content Delay DNP type
 
And like I said, the dnp type does not mention anything in regards to active or inactive users

@php111  

Seems to me that covers active vs inactive.

@Exhumed Legume  
Again, as I understand it, it applies individually per image  

 
the art as in an entity, as in “the car”, or “the house”, or “the naughty picture of Blue Fast”
 
And you are kinda missing the point, that being that the dnp does not allow for not posting an image,  
after the 31 days are up you’ll post it or someone else will do it for you

Also:  

 
What’s the difference with Derpi’s forced filters?  

 
In my opinion that’s too much time, I like to see fresh content.

@Тпсс_  

 
Unless Zizzy changed something this just adds the hfh tag to all of the artist’s images  
that tag is filtered by all the site’s default filters, but if you are using a custom filter (regardless if you are logged in or not) it will bypass it, It’s actually something that’s been here since the beginning

@php111  
No, I get it.  
It’s an expiration date, simple as.  
Because artist upload only implies the artist intends to upload. Exclusive upload privileges are granted in good faith, under the assumption that the artist holds up their part of the implicit bargain.  
If one party doesn’t hold up their end of a contract, the contract falls through.
 
At least that’s how I interpret this rule.

@Exhumed Legume  
And the bargain in question is patronizing and downright insulting. It’s how you end up having no community. Instead of the iron fist of Twi and Poner, “your art will be here whether you want it to be or not”, it’s goading around “yOuCaNdELaYiToNly and your art will end up here, whether you want to or not”.  
Also known as “how to get people to ruin your reputation even further by waffling around and being stupid”.
 
@Cammera  

This.
 
 
P.S. You’re tired of respecting meaningless feelings of artists, I get it. But going out of your way to insult them and rub it in, like the new DNP ruleset does, makes y’all major assholes. And there are two boorus based entirely around flouting said feelings already, on top of TPA, Rome’s archive, and unknown number of independent backups. You accomplish nothing beneficial with this.

@php111  
I get it now.

@Anonymous #7881  

 
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t they doing that now?

Imma agree here, turning DNP into “after a month we’re posting it anyway” is a huge asshole move

@UrbanMysticDee  
In terms of that rule, I’m conflicted.
 
On the one hand, it makes some sense. An artist comes to this site and registers an “Artist Upload Only” DNP, then proceeds to upload everywhere except here. That’s filing a “No Upload” without the stigma of filing a “No Upload” and constitutes abuse. There are also a few artists that have (had?) active “Artist Only” DNPs claiming they’d upload later, but either never did or stopped here; that’s unfair to this site as an Artist Only carries the assumption that the artist in question will be uploading here.
 
On the other hand, this kind of change should only be paired with a “No Upload” option, which is now missing from the DNP list. This raises a big middle finger to artists by trying to reduce their options. It smacks of an intimidation tactic. It also feels historically scummy considering some artists filed DNPs on Derpibooru and ported their galleries here during the schism, yet now we’re invalidating DNPs.
 
Rather than going full-pirate, which this move could be considered, I’m of the opinion that the 31 day should default should to full No Upload, but I’m an asshole of a different color.

I’m having a headache reading this but simply put, the DNPs created by Derpi is fair. No power to abuse and censor and if the artist goes away but forgot or wants to keep their artist only DNP then so be it. Twibooru already serves as an archive. (I’m assuming a user we know as Amity knows it’s rules). If somehow you really want it to be an archive of sorts then do extend it to like 3 years. I know artists who have dnped on Derpibooru but since left long ago and pretty much never heard of this booru here so supposedly some images are exclusive. But either way, Twibooru serves as that. We all only want better moderation, not more redundant dnps. If there’s something you should add, are more Global Filters. The others have it already, why do we still have sfw and everything that will make you drink bleach? There are so many tags to keep track of and add to our filters. Havimg more defaults gives us a more better idea without too much hassle.

@Azure Fang  
Ah yes, I’ve seen it already. A No Upload DNP would be very specific compared to what Artist Upload DNP is by base definition. If they really have to add that.

@Azure Fang  
Artist upload only, ever since Derpi, has been what an artist must use to have nothing uploaded at all.

@Zaknel  
Except both Derpi and Pony have both granted “Other” DNPs with “No Upload” restrictions.

@Azure Fang  
Never seen it.

@TrukkinDuck  
The only two reasons to rescind a DNP should be “artist decided to do so himself” and “artist has been absolutely, unquestionably confirmed to be dead”. Again, the implication of a DNP here is “just grab the images and upload them to Twibooru instead”. Trying to compete with dedicated archives is pointless. Reducing amount of reasonable artists willing to interact with the site, by trying to force the unreasonable artists to do it, is fucking stupid.

In the discourse that I have skimmed through so far in the past(like the furry image debacle) , I have gotten the impression not of malice and misdirection but of difference in definitions and choices that were probably made to make life easier for the moderators (it’s simply easier to ignore the gray area over strictly enforcing it). The staff haven’t lost my good will yet. Running a site is hard and I think they are having personal issues come up that prevents them from acting in full capacity. Yes, I even said something similar to this at the start of the Derpi drama This is not a well oiled operation by any means but one is done in a somewhat CASUAL manner by people with real jobs, real lives and real problems.
 
Users being a little paranoid and critical. Can’t blame them either. Considering what happened with Derpi. I still have sympathy for some of the mods and don’t think they all were acting out of malice but even in the most sympathetic reading of the situation they royally screwed up. The staff here could still do this and I think some of the concerns being presented here are valid. The staff’s attempt to alleviate the concerns of abuses of power with a long and well defined rules (longer then Derpi’s by the way) I think has backfired on them from them having trying to lay out various fringe cases and having a document that is overly legalistic and confusing with each change a potential firestorm because more rules means more interpretations and more potential for us to see something that can be abused. Ultimately the staff is going to have do some interpretation, whether from a simple system of “don’t be a jerk” or 10 rules laying out various scenarios. Thrown in a few head scratchers and ill thought out rule or two and you have a low trust environment.
 
@Barhandar  
>honestly it all boils down to “you cannot make the comment locking automatic, and manual comment locking MUST be at staff discretion; users, including artists, should have absolutely zero ability to command a lock, and the lock should be last-resort if banning consistent offenders has failed”  
Okay, haven’t done much tagging at all here or Derpi so yeah, this looks bad.
 
>A blocked-by-user shitter is a shitter that is free to shit on all users who hadn’t blocked them, a reported shitter is a banned shitter. Conversely, a blocked-by-snowflake reasonable person is a potentially one genuine user less, while reported reasonable person will go unbanned unless your staff/rules are fucked.  
I agree that right now the site is small and problem users could be handled by staff, but blocking is a concept that still can be worthwhile to look at, in a limited form. Not a deviantart or twitter style but blocking PMs and perhaps some form of a hide user option (as in you filter a user out). You have people can pester on while still obeying the rules or separating users that get on each others nerves and if this site gets larger with a community as autistic as ours…
 
@UrbanMysticDee  
@Azure Fang  
>It also feels historically scummy considering some artists filed DNPs on Derpibooru and ported their galleries here during the schism, yet now we’re invalidating DNPs.  
This is something the site has been struggling with for awhile now haven’t they? DNPs can certainly run against the memetic and free content sharing nature of the internet that booru’s are built on and I can understand it on some level as you say. A lot of artists value some control and DNPs were the weapon of resistance on Derpi. I don’t think that is wrong either. If Ponybooru is not Twibooru then having the choice to upload sometimes or once or never does matter, even if it is not a personal gallery.

@TheBridge  

Rugsweeping problems never works. Also, there’s already userscript for that.  

Either the site has the ability to handle problem users manually, or the site fucking dies. Automatic moderation has proven itself to be an unbelievably terrible idea hundreds of times over, and not handling the problem users (and potentially instead demanding non-problem ones take personal action or ciaran-style gaslighting them into staying despite being shat on) ends up being derpi.  

However, this exemption functions as intended, not as written, and loopholes will not be tolerated.  
The only problem with those is when staff are too willing to give repeat chances to someone who doesn’t intend on changing the behavior.

If anything, it’s good to see that the local staff is asking and listening to user feedback instead of just changing things behind of everyone’s backs and then invoking the slippery slope bullshit excuse to justify the arbitrary changes.

After all this, I realized I’m unclear on what the issue with previous rules even was that needed being changed. it worked perfectly fine for what, a year and a half now?

@Cammera  
From what I’ve read the issue was “People call us racist and that hurts our feelings so we’re going to rewrite the rules to give a middle finger to these people (and all artists by extension, but the ends justify the means) and post their art here anyway even though they don’t want us to. Blows Raspberry And we’re also going to call them childish even though we’re playing the same tit-for-tat game.”

@UrbanMysticDee  
Ah. Twitter.

Update on the new DNP types:
 
As of now we’re removing the ‘comment lock’ DNP option. After some discussion and hearing your feedback we’ve decided that it would lead to more work and abuse than it would be worth.
 
The other DNP types are still being discussed as well. If you still have any points to make we’d be happy to hear them.